Thursday is Theory Day! Buuuut, since yesterday was a brutal workday, it's Friday!
This is the fourty-second article of the series. Since there are a lot of theories floating out there and I'm
asked often enough what I think of them, I thought I write it down. You
can then laugh about me when I am totally proven wrong by "The Winds of
Winter" or something like that. Rules are as follows: you put a question
about any theory or plot element (really, let's stress "theory" a bit
for the sake of interesting questions) either in the comments of any
theory post or by mail (stefan_sasse@gmx.de) and I will answer them in
an upcoming post. And if you now ask "Stefan, isn't this a shameless
rip-off of Sean T. Collin's "Ask me anything"?", I would tell you to
shut up, because you are right.
What was Hardhome?
Hardhome was the first
and only settlement that the wildlings ever built. From the little that we know
we can surmise that Hardhome has unusually mild climate for the region it is in
(pretty far north) and that it contained a natural harbor. I would also
speculate that the site allowed for some natural defenses to the mainland. This
allowed for a very good spot for a settlement in a country in which such spots
are really scarce, so the big question is why it was left. The wildlings speak
of some catastrophe that befell Hardhome, which makes it likely that either a
natural catastrophe happened on the scale of the Doom of Valyria, or that some
supernatural shit hit the fan. I think it was the latter, since Hardhome
doesn’t seem destroyed, but rather a haunted place. I’d guess that Hardhome has
something, either a location or an artifact the wildlings brought there that
allows the Others to exert influence, in the fashion of the One Ring. It could
be comparable to what befell the Night King. This would have led to a giant
catastrophe as all inhabitants turned on each other and produced the biggest bloodbath
in wildling history. If subsequent discoverers and adventurers were befallen by
the same curse, it’s most likely that they consequently stayed away from
Hardhome.
Is the curse of Harrenhal true?
No. Harrenhal’s lords
have a tendency to fall, but we have several problems with that. First,
Harrenhal is only 300 years old, so it hasn’t seen that many lords – this falls
within the statistical error and chance. Second, the castle was raised as the
mightiest in the Riverlands, but directly after it was finished, Riverrun and
the Tullys became the overlords of the Riverlands. Sitting in the biggest
castle but being only number two is a situation that drives many people into
stupid decisions, like rebelling and the like, which tend to come with a short
life expectancy of the whole family. Third, we don’t know much about many of
the families. The Harrens obviously died in Aegon’s dragonfire, and the Whents were
essentially finished by Robert’s Rebellion and their remains sweeped up by the
Lannisters in the War of the Five Kings. Vargo Hoat couldn’t have held his own
chamber pot, so his demise doesn’t come as a surprise, which leaves the
Lothstons of whom we don’t know much besides the fact that they were crazy in a
Bolton way, without the “quiet people, peaceful land” doctrine to back it up,
so one would expect them to be done for at one point or the other. As to
Littlefinger, he will fall over something else than Harrenhal. So, yes, nice
story, but no, no curse.
Will Dany go to Volantis?
Hell yeah. Martin didn’t
spend the best part of “A Dance with Dragons” to hammer home the fact that
there are thousands and thousands of slaves in Volantis, flocking to the Red
Priests and praying for Danaerys to come and rescue her without having her do
that. Plus, we have at least two POV characters who explicitly think that a
slave rebellion would cause apeshit in Volantis, and Martin didn’t exactly come
around as a fan of the Lost Cause theory in his books and remarks, so the
complete destruction of the slave trade in the East should be the one big
achievement of Dany’s rule in the region before she becomes the messiah and
rescues the world from the Others. I’d say that she will come to Volantis, and
rather quickly, smashing the aristocracy there and creating an army that is
just a giant clusterfuck for anyone messing with her.
Isn`t it difficult to handle both your job and your ASOIAF fanwork? Sorry for the personal question. :)
ReplyDeleteAsk me again in three or four weeks. I only started this week, and I have some articles in storage.
ReplyDeleteI think you're right on about Harrenhal and I think the curse of Harrenhal is something more attributable to confirmation bias among the people of westeros. Herran and his clan are burned alive to start it all off and then family after family holding the castle fall thereafter for varying reasons.
ReplyDeleteI believe this, in many ways, leads to the erosion of the power base of the holding family. The logic would go "Oh, he holds Harrenhal? We can't get into bed with him because he's cursed." So potential alliances are denied and the smallest misstep is magnified by the people and attributed to the so called curse. It becomes self fulfilling in its own right.
On top of that you have to consider the position and state of Harrenhal itself. A thought that you've pointed to in the past is that the riverlands (aside from the twins) are damn near impossible to defend from invasion and so Harrenhal, as we see in the WO5K, is in the path of destruction. Add to that the fact that Harrenhal would require a massive army to fortify (remember Winterfell is large, but not Harrenhal large, and fell because they had too few manning the walls). Further, the upkeep on that castle must be astronomical compared to smaller strongholds and that's not even considering the prospect of restoring the delpdated sections. All this is a recipe, not for a curse, but for an uphill battle that's claimed every other ruling lord. The manpower, upkeep and weak geographic position mean Harrenhal is a horrible castle to hold title to in anything other than name.
Excellent thoughts, I wholeheartedly agree.
DeleteI miss your Flight of Links. You have lead me to sites I normally wouldn't have found and I have enjoyed the trip. More, please.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the encouragment. One is in the tube for monday, although I will be slow to keep up with my previous pace on them because gathering the links is time consuming, and with my new job I don't have as much of it as previously.
DeleteSome ideas for the next theory hour.
ReplyDeleteIs Margaery lesbian, bi or at least has tried with girls?
Will be ever know about Thysa and/or Brightroar?
Who is your bet to be Cersei's valonqar: Jaime, Sansa, Sandor?
Put them in the queue, thanks.
DeleteI think the books were more clear on hardhome than that. It was the first/only wildling city and it was pillaged by slavers.
ReplyDeleteAfter all this time some wildlins go there and are found by slavers, an allegory to the tragedy I think some slavers end up in Bravoos and the wildling slaves are freed. As a final sad twist when the Watch arrives, they're are the ones taken for slavers.