This is the fourtieth article of the series. Since there are a lot of theories floating out there and I'm
asked often enough what I think of them, I thought I write it down. You
can then laugh about me when I am totally proven wrong by "The Winds of
Winter" or something like that. Rules are as follows: you put a question
about any theory or plot element (really, let's stress "theory" a bit
for the sake of interesting questions) either in the comments of any
theory post or by mail (stefan_sasse@gmx.de) and I will answer them in
an upcoming post. And if you now ask "Stefan, isn't this a shameless
rip-off of Sean T. Collin's "Ask me anything"?", I would tell you to
shut up, because you are right.
Prepare for part 40. Spoilers for "A Song of Ice and Fire", obviously.
What happened to the Mutineers at Craster’s Keep?
What happened to the Mutineers at Craster’s Keep?
Pretty simple, they
either died or lied about their involvement, but I guess they are all dead.
When the killing started, the Loyalists (like Sam, Grenn and others) fled the
scene and made for the Wall, while the mutineers feasted and enjoyed the spoils
of their victory. After that, we never hear of them anymore, but can you
imagine them living in some kind of alternative hippie commune in Craster’s
Keep while the Others are marching on the Wall, with the wildlings before them?
They either fought among each other after all supplies were depleted and women
raped, or were killed by the wildlings, or by the cold, or by the whights, but
one thing they’re not: alive. There’s no conceivable scenario that allows that
rag-tag band of misfits to survive the oncoming horror beyond the Wall. One or
two might have reached the Wall and told some story that concealed their
involvement, but most are dead for sure.
What is the significance of a kraken returning to the known world?
I think it’s just a
sign of magic returning, if there really is a kraken. It might just be a red
herring. After all, a multitude of characters has told us over the course of
the books that sailors talk about all kind of weird shit, and why should this
be any different? So far, we have heard weird stories all over the place, but
I’d trust only those we saw through the eyes of a POV, especially Dany for all
the shenanigans that are happening in the East and Arya and Brienne for the
kind of stuff that happened among the Brotherhood without Banners. Even if
there is a giant kraken, one thing it is not: any sign for an impending victory
of the Ironborn. While the Greyjoy sigil might be a kraken, I don’t have the
feeling that the ascension of one would in any way benefit them. You never
heard one of them tell a story about the Ironborn of old controlling such
animals, and whenever they talk about the kraken on their banner, they do so
purely in metaphorical terms (“what the kraken grasps it doesn’t lose again”
and the like). I doubt that monster would make any distinction between the guys
having him on their banner and those who don’t, much like a real lion wouldn’t
spare a Lannister.
Who are the second most powerful houses in each region at the start of the
series?
The North: Bolton. They
have always been the most dangerous vassals of the Starks, prone to rebellion
and unrest, and it seems to me that this is not a status that is conferred to
them simply because they like to slaughter their smallfolk. Other contenders
would be Manderly (who lack the political power, being regarded as foreigners
still), Karstark and Umber, but none of them seems to muster the same force as
Bolton. The Riverlands: Frey. They easily muster 4.000 soldiers and reinforce
that army later after their switch of allegiance, and they have the connections
and ambition that go along with it. The Westerlands: No clear contender. Tywin
made sure that no one even wants that spot. The Reach: Florent, of course. They
are entirely crushed as a house by the end of “A Clash of Kings”, though. The Vale: House Royce. Given how easily they take over after Lysa's death and the reputation they have, that's a given. The Stormlands:
There are many smaller houses of more or less equal standing, but I guess Caron
could take the spot, being the overlord of the Marshes. The Iron Islands:
Harlaw seems to command a nice rooster of vassals, so I’d name them. Dorne:
Yronwood, obviously, since Doran Martell goes over such lengths to ensure their
allegiance.
I think we see the fate of some of the mutinees in Bran's first ADWD chapter. Coldhands disappears to deal with unnamed enemies and later Bran sees the corpses of a few men of the Night's Watch through Summer's eyes.
ReplyDeleteAnd then coldhands brings them meat calling it a sow despite Bran being unable to find any trace of animals with summer.
DeleteThat certainly plays a part, yes.
DeleteFor the Vale I would guess House Royce. House Hightower is probably in a special category of it's own
ReplyDeleteDamn, I forgot the Vale. Sorry, I'll add them.
DeleteFor the Reach, I agree that one should consider House Hightower and even House Redwyne beside the Florents.
DeleteThey run in as close seconds and thirds. But Florent is the politically most well connected and powerful house besides Tyrell.
DeleteI'd like to throw in that the Lady Olenna, otherwise known as the Queen of Thorns, is born a Redwyne.
DeleteSo...?
DeleteStefan, don`t you think that Robb legitimizing Jon and naming him his heir plus the Great Northen Conspiracy overcomplicates the plot of the series?
ReplyDeleteThe first one, naming Jon heir, is simply consistent with the character and has no meaning now that the kingdom is dead. And I'm not a believer in the Northern Conspiracy theory, precisely because it's not consistent with the narrative.
DeleteI don`t really see the logic in naming Jon heir, since he is sworn to the Watch.
DeleteRobb mentioned that he wants to bribe the Watch to let him go.
DeleteThe Night's Watch men encountered by Bran/Summer were certainly some of the mutineers from Craster's keep -- the description of one of them matches Ollo Lophand, who I believe was the one who actually stabbed Mormont.
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